[discussion of engagement with business begins at 11:00] "I have a much more productive relationship with the Chinese government than I do with business writ large. There are the occasional businesspeople who come forward to support my work [for human rights]. I am extremely grateful to them, but in terms of the corporations -- for instance, none of the sponsors of the Olympic Games has really anything to do with me. Business really is not making use of the opportunity they have to speak frankly and directly to the Chinese government... Business people have relationships that can be put to good use in the area of human rights...but most businesspeople don't want to..."