We caught up with professor John Ruggie…to discuss slavery, supply chains and governance failures…While the sector is on an "upwards learning slope", the example of the Thai fishing industry demonstrates the extent to which businesses remain ignorant of the full extent of slavery in their supply chains. He also warns that there are limits to what business can, and should, be doing. Campaigners need to learn to "partner and pressure" with big business, and ultimately governments need to address their governance failures. And finally, consumers should be asking themselves "whether they want their child to wear a shirt made by another child".